New Mexico Better Business Bureau criminal complaint
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January 25, 2006 13:30
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certified return requested mail and email Judy TichenorBBB of New Mexico Consumer Relations Specialist Better Business Bureau 2625 Pennsylvania NE Suite 2050 Albuquerque NM 87110-3657 Phone: (505) 346-0110 24 hours 800-873-2224 (NM only) http://www.bbbnm.com/ jerry@bbbnm.com bureau@bbbnm.com members@bbbnm.com comments@bbbnm.com Dear Ms Tichenor: We've been having difficulty receiving satisfactory responses from Mr Shipman regarding our business complaint against Cibola Internet Services. See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/bbb/bbb.htm#shipman1 and http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/bbb/bbb.htm#shipman2. We feel that it is the responsibility of the BBB to protect citizens against non-delivery of goods or services you paid for We feel that it is improper of the BBB to deny its
cooperation and services to investigate our complaint against Cibola Internet
Service. 1 cite any BBB charter rules [and date enacted] that authorizes BBB to deny service to its constituents. We would appreciate receiving information requested in 1 and 2 by March 10, 2006. Sincerely, Email distribution |
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Friday March 3, 2006 certified return requested mail and email Mr Jerry Shipman, President Dear Mr Shipman: We sent you a January 31, 2005 email asking you several questions seen at http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/bbb/bbb.htm#shipman2. Also we asked that you investigate our complaint against Cibola Internet Services and return an investigation report by February 3, 2006. We didn't get any response from you. Cause, of course, could be that you didn't get our January 31, 2005 email. So we enclose a copy of our January 31, 2005 email with this email/certified letter. We ask that you respond to our January 31, 2005 request by March 10, 2006. Sincerely, Arthur R. Morales William H. Payne
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advertising you think was misleading
selling practices you think are deceptive or otherwise improper
non-delivery of goods or services you paid for
a guarantee or warranty that was not honored
unsatisfactory service after your purchase
credit or billing problems
the company's failure to perform as it agreed to, either orally or in writing
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Tuesday January 31, 2006 By email Mr Jerry Shipman, President Dear Mr Shipman: We respond to your email seen at http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/bbb/bbb.htm#shipmanresponse January 28, 2002 you wrote We do not get involved with issues involving goverment agencies. See http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/betterbusinessbureau/betterbusinessbureau.html#shipman January 26, 2006 at 1:26 PM you wrote I'm sorry but the BBB does not handle complaint alleging fraud or other ciminal activities.. See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/bbb/bbb.htm#shipmanresponse. It appears to us that you have a history of pattern and practice of attempting to side-step your BBB duties. Please forward to us by email citations from the BBB charter showing that you are not allowed to investigate complaints alleging non-delivery of goods or services you paid for and the company's failure to perform as it agreed to, either orally or in writing which may or may not be in violation of New Mexico criminal law. And that you are not allowed to investigate government agency complaints alleging non-delivery of goods or services you paid for and the company's failure to perform as it agreed to, either orally or in writing. Please cite the dates that these rules were inacted. Please return a signed verified response. We continue to ask that you investigate our complaint against Cibola Internet Services and return the investigation report by February 3, 2006. Sincerely, Arthur R. Morales William H. Payne
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Wednesday January 25, 2006 Certified - return receipt requested and email Mr Jerry Shipman, President Dear Mr Shipman: Purposes of the eletter/letter are to seek help from the Better Business Bureau to mitigate damages caused by Cibola Internet Services unwarranted and illegal destruction of our website previously seen at http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/index.htm. All evidence of guilt of Cibola Internet Services, which includes credit card fraud, is in writing. We posted evidence in writing at our website demonstrating
judicial and political misconduct. Amendment I Some of the documents relate to us not getting what we paid for and guaranteed inviolate by New Mexico and federal constitutions. Right to paid for trial by jury. You were involved in an unsuccessful attempt to get what we paid for. You, in fact, advised us to contact New Mexico attorney general. See your letter at http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/betterbusinessbureau/betterbusinessbureau.html#shipman Attorney general Patricia Madrid did nothing to remedy us not getting what we paid for and are guaranteed inviolate under New Mexico and federal constitutions. We first need to establish the facts in this request for help. Then we can discuss possible remedies. Our experience has shown that lawyers and others either do not wish, are intellectually unable, incompetent, dishonest, or don't have appropriate educational background to reason-out their decisions based on the facts. Therefore, we ask you to respond to the questionnaire below to establish the facts. We ask that you submit the Investigation Report by February
3, 2006. Sincerely, Arthur R. Morales William H. Payne Investigation Report QUESTION 1: Is there within the written charter of the Better Business Bureau of New Mexico a rule forbidding involvement in remedy of fraud by government government agencies.Circle answer to question. TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 2: If the answer to QUESTION 1 is TRUE, then on what date was rule forbidding involvement in remedy of fraud by government government agencies entered into the Better Business Bureau of New Mexico written charter_______________________ QUESTION 3: Allegations made in draft newspaper article titled Crooked New Mexico judges get caught in writing seen at http://www.prosefights.org/#article are all supported by documents written by people in authority.Circle answer to question. TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 4: April 13, 2005 Cibola Internet Services denies paid for Internet services by forbidding public access to website and denying FTP access. See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#april13Circle answer to question. TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 5: Cibola Internet Services employees Louis Uttaro and Sal Chavez accuse Payne of violating Cibola Internet Service Agreement #14 and shut down paid for website. See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#uttarochavezCircle answer to question. TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 6: Payne files two credit card fraud complaints with US Bank and Cibola Internet Services CFO, Debra Uttaro, attempts to justify shutting down paid for website.See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#duttaro TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 7: US Bank investigator Lane Gronli asks for response from Payne.See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#gronliletter TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 8: Payne denies Cibola Internet Services' accusation that he violated any law or rule. See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#togronliTRUE or FALSE QUESTION 9: Cibola Internet Services' accusations are shown to be unjustifiable according to US Bank's investigation.US Bank investigator Lane Gronli conducted the investigation. US Bank Investigator credits Payne's account for fraudulent billings See http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#usbank1 and http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm#usbank2 TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 10: Louis Uttaro, Debra Uttaro, and Sal Chavez have apparently committed the crime of credit card fraud.TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 11: New Mexico defines 30-11-1. Libel. Louis Utarro, Debra Uttaro and Sal Chavez have apparently committed the New Mexico crime of Libel by falsely claiming that Payne violated Cibola Internet Services Agreement #14. TRUE or FALSE QUESTION 12: Louis Uttaro, Debra Uttaro, and Sal Chavez apparently violated Morales' and Payne's First Amnendment right of free speech by shutting down http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/index.htmTRUE or FALSE I declare that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on ___________________ Notary Public ______________________________________
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Cibola Internet Services credit card fraud page.