Cibola Internet Services credit card fraud

First posted
Monday May 2, 2005 08:16
Updated
Friday April 21, 2006 08:56

Cibola Internet Services nmol attempted access now gives

instead of previous Forbidden messge.

The criminals appear to be trying to cover their tracks over the weekend of Frebruary 10-13, 2006.

But this won't work!

We've kept jpg copies of evidence of guilt!

This wasn't originally at nmol.com!

Wednesday June 15, 2005 15:48

Looks like US Bank [Lane Gronli] has nailed Cibola Internet Services for credit card fraud.

So let's do New Mexico Better Business Bureau soon.

Let's see what US Bank has done about Cibola Internet Services.

----- Original Message -----
From: lane.gronli@usbank.com
To: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: cibola internet services v bill payne


> Bill Payne,
>
> I did receive the email.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lane Gronli
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Lane Gronli phoned.

Payne just talked to Nicole at US Bank 1-866-540-9904.

Thursday June 16, 2005 14:10 email delivery Lane Gronli US Bank CARDMEMBER SERVICES P.O. Box 6335 Fargo, ND 58125-6336 lane.gronli@usbank.com Dear Mr Gronli: I respond to your June 10, 2005 letter which was received on June 15, 2005. I talked to Lea and Michelle at 1-800-1285-8585 today to ask for an extension to July 8, 2005 to respond sentence-by-sentence to Debra Uttaro's 5/13/05 letter you enclosed. Michelle was non-committal but connected me with a supervisor. I left a message. Reason for the extension of time is that we will be on vacation from June 17-29. But perhaps this matter can be properly disposed of without a detailed response. We have been a customer of New Mexico On-line since about 1998. You can verify the exact time from US Bank records. On April 13, 2005 we posted court documents on our website at New Mexico On-line showing that 7 New Mexico judge broke New Mexico state laws and violated their oaths of office to protect New Mexico convicted felon former judge W John Brennan from two paid for 12 person jury trial lawsuits. These documents were reposted at http://www.prosefights.org/. I am a Comcast high-speed cable modem customer so I don't use Cibola Internet Service slow telephone modem access to Internet. My wife infrequently accessed Internet over Cibola Internet Services. Our main purpose, therefore, to continue Cibola Internet Services was for our website at http://7cities.net/users/billp. Access to our website was denied on April 13, 2005 - the same day we posted the documents seen at http://www.prosefights.org/. Once I discovered that our paid for service was denied, I complained on April 22, 2005 to Eric at US Bank about us not receiving what we were paying for at Cibola Internet Services. I asked Eric to cancel the credit card. Subsequent billing from Cibola Internet Services arrived. I phoned US Bank May 27, 2005 to complain that we were being billed for services we were not receiving. Adam took this complaint. Adam verified that Eric did not cancel the credit card. Adam credited my account for the fraudulent billing by Cibola Internet Services and, this time, cancelled the credit card. We received a new credit card as promised by Adam. Debra Uttaro apparently claims what I agreed to abide to TERMS AND CONDITIONS of Cibola Internet Services. I disagree as shown below: 1 New Mexico On-line changed hands several time before being purchased by Cibola Internet Services. I was never required to sign any agrement of TERMS AND CONDITIONS. 2 You need to ask Cibola Internet Services to furnish proof to US Bank that I signed a copy of its TERMS AND CONDITIONS. 3 Furthermore, Cibola Internet Services was not specific about what material was considered offensive. So what material is offensive? 4 Are we breaking any law? If so, which law? Therefore I accuse Cibola Internet Services of credit card fraud for billing us for website hosting we paid for since about 1998 but forbidding access to since April 13, 2005. 5 I also accuse Cibola Internet Services of criminal violation of our First Amendment right to free speech. 6 I also accuse Cibola Internet Services of violation of New Mexico state law criminal statute 3A-2. Harassment; penalties. A. Harassment consists of knowingly pursuing a pattern of conduct that is intended to annoy, seriously alarm or terrorize another person and that serves no lawful purpose. The conduct must be such that it would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress. B. Whoever commits harassment is guilty of a misdemeanor. History: 1978 Comp., § 30-3A-2, enacted by Laws 1997, ch. 10, § 2. NMSA 1978. I hope this email and supporting documents convinces US Bank that Cibola Internet Services is guilty of credit card fraud. At that time we can move on the New Mexico Better Business Bureau to try to informally recover costs of have to move our New Mexico On-line website to http://www.prosefights.org/. If this email is insufficient for US Bank to make its determination, the I ask for an extension to July 8, 2005 to respond to Debra Uttaro's letter and documents seen at http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm and http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/index.htm. Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 505-292-7037 bpayne37@comcast.net

Lea from US Bank put Payne in phone contact with Michelle of the fraud department.

Michelle would not confirm or deny the extension to July 8, 2005 to respond to Gronli's letter. But forwarded the call to a supervisor. Payne left a message ... and recorded the conversation, of course.

Dr Guttman phoned.

American veteran, physician, and Jew, is responding to Debra Uttaro letter.

Guttman stated that a lawyer wrote Uttaro's letter.

Another Uttaro mistake, we think.

Cibola Internet Services responded to US Bank.

Let's go after financial compensation for restoring nmol.com files!

We just tried to log on to nmol.com.

WINSOCK.DLL: Microsoft wsock32.dll, ver2.2, 32bit of Apr 22 1999, at 20:29:32.
WS_FTP LE 5.08 2000.01.13, Copyright © 1992-2000 Ipswitch, Inc.
- -
connecting to 12.155.8.2:21
Connected to 12.155.8.2 port 21
220 FTP Server ready.
USER billp
331 Password required for billp.
PASS (hidden)
530 Login incorrect.
! Logon failure, so quitting

Settlement is always the best way out of these unfortunate matters.

So let's continue to work for settlement ... using Internet, of course!

Guttman's FBI submission received.

We have to make it the duty of mayor Chavez and the city council to protect citizens from crooked judges and accomplice Albuquerque Journal/Tribune.

Payne is asking Gronli for an extension to respond by July 8, 2005.

Monday April 25, 2005 19:52

http://www.prosefights.org/nsa01102005\cryptomelink.htm is back. 1/2 hour work

The tripod recovery took 10 hours http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm.

The prosefights.org recovery took 4 hours http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm.

The don2 recovery took 1 hour http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/don2/don2.htm.

Uttaro told Payne on Wednesday that if Payne didn't like losing public access to pro se fights nmol files then he could phone Cibola Internet Services and cancel service at the end of the month.

We have a better idea. We aren't going to pay for April since we are not getting the services we paid for.

We know how to do this!

Geocities web space was initially free. Then we got email congratulating us on such a popular site. And demanding $4.75 per month for enhanced service. About a year later we got a similar email demanding even more money. Yahoo!/Geocities then invalidated our password. Then Yahoo!/Geocities got a successful credit card fraud complaint laid on it.

So let's do Cibola Internet Services for credit card fraud today.

Uttaro and Chavez supplied all of the evidence of their guilt in writing!

Payne got a real nice phone call from Billy at the Internet service provider for http://www.prosefights.org on Wednesday afternoon 4/21/05.

We had a long talk about web hosting.

Billy assured Payne that how we were using the service was okay.

Payne told Billy about our Yahoo!/Geocities experience above.

Payne paid for two years for 1 gigabyte of web space and domain registration ... all for about $180!

Billy told Payne that if we cancelled, then we would get a proportional refund.

Now Payne must install a wireless router to get Patty Payne off Cibola dial-up and on to Comast!

All for about $62. Cibola pro se fights nmol files storage was very expensive. But we didn't want spend the time to switch. Until now, of course.

Who is Louis Uttaro? And Sal Chavez?

He’s also a partner in Sandia Internet Services in Albuquerque, co-owned by Salvador Chavez.

Finally, since 1993, over $20 billion has been invested in the space industry, with much of it dedicated to the broadband satellite telecommunications sector. Satellites can offer instant infrastructure that provides the same broadband services, at the same cost, in rural and urban settings alike. In Grants, New Mexico, Louis Uttaro’s Cibola Internet Services provides access to the Internet via a satellite link to his ISP office, which then connects to customers through the local telco. It’s a more cost-effective approach than landline links to the Internet backbone. Cibola is now providing this satellite-based Internet service to 14 communities. In addition, several companies have plans underway for satellite services that will provide a two-way link directly to customers’ homes and businesses.

Hey, we have all of the evidence in writing in court documents. And now we have a domain name [http://www.prosefights.org] so as not to be rejected by the trib and journal as trying to convey something too compliated to its readers. Like http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/index.htm or http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm.

A knowledgeable reviewer said that Uttaro lied about not being contacted to prevent access to the evidence in our pro se fights nmol files. What do you think?

Payne has been lied to before. By his own phd student!

Uttaro phoned at 09:20!

Payne, following Morales notes, asked Uttaro why public access to pro se fights nmol files was forbidden.

Uttaro responded that the nature of the site was offensive and that why access to the files was forbidden.

Uttaro said that he and others at Cibola Internet Services look at pro se fights nmol files and determined they were offensive.

Payne asked Uttaro to restore public access to pro se fights nmol files. Uttaro refused.

Uttaro said he had a right by article 14 http://www.7cities.net/html_folder/service_agreement.html
to remove public access to pro se fights nmol files.

Payne told Uttaro that he had files at /users/billp/nmol.com since December 1998. Payne said he never signed any agreement with Cibola Internet Services.

Uttaro said that it had been so long ago that he didn't remember details of how New Mexico On-line was acquired by Cibola Internet Services.

Uttaro said that pro se fights nmol files exposed him to liability.

Then Uttaro mentioned New Mexico judges!

Payne asked if anyone had complained to Cibola Internet Services about pro se fights nmol files. Uttaro responded , no.

Payne asked Uttaro if Cibola Internet Services. Uttaro responded no and that we would have to sue him.

Payne explained that he could not access any of the files. Uttaro said that he would see that access was restored but on Monday but would not allow any of the files to be viewed.

Payne explained to Uttaro that he main reason he was paying Cibola Internet Services was for pro se fights nmol file storage and viewing since he is on Comcast and not using dial-up Internet access. Uttaro told Payne that he can have dial up access.

Uttaro twice told Payne that if he wanted pro se fights nmol files nmol files then he could buy Cibola Internet Services from Uttaro.

Payne mentioned that removal of pro se fights nmol files was a violation of freedom of speech. Uttaro repeated that under article 14 he could deny public access to pro se fights nmol files.

The conversations ended.

The next step, of course, is New Mexico Better Business Bureau.

Always try to informally resolve disputes

No phone call from Uttaro so maybe we should try email?

Note that achive1 and and achive2 have been destoyed by Cibola.

Why did Cibola destroy old files not related to apparently "offensive files."

Morales and Payne tried to phone Uttaro of Cibola Internet Service.

We got Pam instead.

Pam said she would ask Uttaro to phone us.

Let's hope that Richardson helps get matters settled before they get worse..

We'll fix the links in the unanswered richardsonsettle.htm soon

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/richardsonletter/richardsonsettle.htm
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/richardsonletter/richardson1994.htm

New Mexico Better Business Bureau employee Nelly looked to see if Cibola Internet Services is a member.

Nelly could not find Cibola Internet Services.

Payne briefly told Nelly what happened.

Nelly said that Cibola Internet Services not being a member should not stop us from filing a complaint.

Nelly said the the complaint can be filed on-line.

Better Business Bureau of NM
Jerry Shipman
2625 Pennsylvania NE
Ste 2050
Albuquerque, NM 87110
1-800-873-2224
E-mail: bureau@bbbnm.com
Web: www.bbbnm.com

Let's write Louis Uttaro tomorrow.

Is there a reason we get these emails?

http://www.dcpersian.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Guttman
To: william h payne
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: cancellation of web-site, garcia

Just to let you know sent the 144 per Garcia (friday) first class mail and you should receive soon. Obviously we're
winning in the court of public opinion, causing Dr.??? to
incredibly and unilatterally cancel the web-site. Furthermore, what does he define as offensive, I've not seen
it. Is he a supporter of DEMOCRAT BOSSON (please post
this). We need to verify his so-called academic credential, has he canceled others per the same reason.?????????

Thanks, Stuart

Payne denies any wrongdoing at nmol.

So let accuse Dr Uttaro of wrongdoing and, of course, suggest settlement.

Louis Uttaro uses a satellite to bring the World Wide Web to a grateful community
By Franchesca Stevens

http://www.t1shopper.com/carriers/wireless/new_mexico.php

SATELLITE ACCESS TO INTERNET LESS EXPENSIVE FOR SOME Thousands of businesses, schools and Internet service providers in remote areas have turned to satellite access to the Internet because land lines are either unavailable or too expensive. Cibola Internet Services is an example. Grants, New Mexico is a small town about 75 miles west of Albuquerque. Cibola is the town's primary Internet provider. Cibola is linked to the Internet by a satellite at a cost of $1,700 a month. The alternative is more expensive. Cibola's owner, Louis Uttaro, said he had waited six months for the local phone company to install a high-speed line with a monthly fee of $2,200. Service by satellite is still a small part of the Internet marketplace and analysts are skeptical that traditional satellite connections, such as that provided to Cibola, will ever be affordable enough to play a large role in the overall market. Despite that, two California start-up companies (Tachyon Inc., San Diego, and Aloha Networks Inc., San Francisco) say they have engineered ways for more people to use the same satellite simultaneously to gain access to the Internet and thus make the technology more affordable and widespread.

Cibola Internet Services
Louis Uttaro
1109 Mesa Blvd., Ste. A, Grants, NM 8702
505-287-2159
mail@7cities.net
www.7cities.net

Let's respond to Dr Uttaro.

Payne read Morales response to the Uttaro message.

Morales responded

Quote authority in law about what is offensive.

And to whom it is offensive.

Give references.

Keep in mind that we are working as a team.

And we are dealing with Dr Louis Uttaro.

ms means more the the same

phd means piled higher and deeper

Let's try to find out someting about Uttaro.

Where did Uttaro get his degree.

And, of course, where can we read Uttaro's Ph.D. thesis publication?

Let's proceed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Uttaro"
To: "bill payne" ;
Cc: ; ;
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: No response from Cibola

> Dear Mr. Payne,

> I had sent you an email (a copy of which is pasted below) to the email
> address of record that we have on file. As you can see, your personal web
> pages have been disabled per our policy. You can still have access to the
> files, but they will not be publicly viewable from our web server. Please
> refer to the email sent on 4/13/05. In that we did not hear from you in a
> reasonable amount of time, I then ordered our technical staff to disable the
> site from public viewing.
>
> Dr. Louis Uttaro
> CEO Cibola Internet Services

Let's ask Uttaro for some specifics about what was offensive.

We do not have access to files nmol.com.

Login was just refused to nmol.

Payne subscribed to New Mexico in the late 90s on-line long before it was acquired by Cibola.

Note that Uttaro didn't specify what he considered offensive. But, instead, Uttaro look to have destroyed most, if not all, of the files a nmol.

Payne is paying for this service and denies that he has done anything wrong. Payne has not been able to ftp to the files at nmol.

Payne want the services he is paying for.

So let get http://www.bbbnm.com/ and the credit card company involved ... if Uttaro and Chavez don't come to their senses and restore access and damaged files.

Morales is reviewing.

Uttaro's email looks a bit suspicious since it was sent the same day as the eletter to judge Richard C Bosson.

schavez@sandia.net luttaro@7cities.net pbeck@7cities.net debrau@7cities.net

Here's article 14. http://www.7cities.net/html_folder/service_agreement.html

Morales has some suggestions - which you will see implemented today.



The problem still exists

The Richardson/Couric jpg is stored at New Mexico on-line which appeared along with the Tenth circuit Parks jpgs are short time ago!

So there is something very strange happening.

Monday 07:13 channel 4 Albuquerque, NM.

Thursday April 14, 2005 17:26

The lawyer and politician game plan is NO RESPONSE.

NSA is not responding

The Tenth circuit is not responding.

Richardson is not responding.

Bosson is not responding.

But this may not work.

Payne phoned 505-287-2159 at Cibola Internet Services.

Payne explained to Pam not being able to view our website and not being able to ftp to it.

Pam said she will investigate.

No email for New Mexico on-line aka Cibola Internet Services. This maybe Saul Chavez' company.

Maybe the politicians got to Chavez?

Let's find out.

Antonia Scalia - Dr Guttman's highlights
Judge Browning remands Dr Guttman's lawsuit to New Mexico state court

Nmol is being paid by credit card.

Geocities tried password extortion to get pro se fights to pay more money. This earned Geocities a complaint to the credit card company.

The complaint must be filed within 60 days of the infraction.

Let's all hope for settlement because things may get lots worse.

Wednesday April 13, 2005 17:53

What a coincidence!

We send an eletter to governor Richardson and judge bosson, then the written evidence bosson's guilt disappears from Internet.

We are paying about $20/month for nmol.

New Mexico on-line.

Here's a link and email address mail@7cities.net

We got an access denied at http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm

This will not work for long.

Monday April 25, 2005 19:52

Payne received 2 long but silent phone messages on recorder beginning at about 08:30.

Do you think these are silent threats?

Cibola Internet Services [Louis Uttaro and Sal Chavez] looks to have about destroyed about 6 1/2 years [since December 1998] of web work at nmol.

Pro se fights has been a subscriber to New Mexico On-line since December 30, 1998. We got, and took, some advice from for former sysop about what to do with Uttaro.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Guttman
To: william h payne
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Democratic Party
Did the Democratic Party contact Uterro for removing various items per the Judges. I'm beginning to see a
conspiracy to quiet Pro-Se Fights. Please note Silverberg
supported Vigil for the Appelate Court. Another supporter
of Vigil with a crooked back ground noting Silverberg
discipline in 1989. As you know he claims Garcia wrote
supportive letter. Please post. Stuart.

Cibola Internet Services credit card fraud [not receiving what we paid for] project is progressing.

The old credit card was finally cancelled.

US Bank's procedure is that if Cibola Internet Services contests, then Payne will be sent and affidavit.

If, of course, Cibola Internet Services doesn't contest, then we are off to the New Mexico Better Business Bureau with a prima facie case complaint where, again, all of the evidence is in writing.

Looks like we are close to approach the Better Business Bureau with a complaint about Cibola Internet Services.

Payne talked to Adam of US Bank regarding status of

0218 was declared fraudulent for not receiving services paid for.

Adam said the $21.30 would be credited to the account within two working days.

Payne asked if he would be sent an affidavit. Adam responded that an affidavit would be sent if matters with Cibola Internet Services couldn't be resolved.

Adam discovered that Eric didn't cancel credit card on April 22, 2005. So Adam canceled credit card.

Payne told Spohn about us getting kicked off New Mexico on-line and the phone message from Comcast.

Note that the mail submision of our Albuquerque Journal/Tribune article was sent on May 3, 2005. Then we get the call from Jay at Comcast on May 4, 2005. A coincidence or not?

Comcast Abuse Policy

If you feel that you have been a victim of Internet abuse which took place in part or completely on the Comcast Network, please report the incident to abuse@comcast.net. Make sure to include the date and time of the incident, log files, spam examples or any other information that may be useful to the investigation and verification of the incident as well as your name and phone number or e-mail address so we may contact you directly.

Jay's message sounds very suspicious with its generalities and threat. So let's email a complaint to Comcast of a possible fraudulent abuse message.

Try http://www.prosefights.org/ in case of disruption.

Something very strange is happening since

http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm

works and http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/index.htm does not.

Let's hope they are thinking of settlement. We believe that matters can get lots worse.

Jay at Comcast left a message on our cell phone.

Jay said that complaints were filed that derogatory information was being posted at this site.

Jay asked that this information be removed.

We will phone on Monday to inquire which derogatory information and who complained.

We shall post Jay's transcibed message.

Try http://www.prosefights.org/ or http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/index.htm

in case of disruption.

They should think settlement. Matters are getting worse.

Morales and Payne's legal project required visibility.

Doing it legally takes time. We have to wait for our next step against Uttaro and Chavez for US Bank to complete its investigation.

Lawyers, judges, and other crooks like Uttaro and Chavez got away with nonsense in the past for the main reason that the public didn't know what they were doing and the applicable laws.

We, with the help of Internet and personal computer equipment, may change this.

Stacy of US Bank reports that the credit card fraud investigation of Cibola Internet Services is underway but can take up to 60 days.

All evidence is in writing at http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/bossoncleanup/bossoncleanup.htm.

http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/cibolafraud.htm

Without Internet and blogs our legal project would not work.

We'll read email this afternoon to see if the abq journal responded.

The Netgear wireless 54 Mbps is working great!

Uttaro of Cibola Internet Services told Payne he would be able to access files at his paid for website at nnol.com

Not so on Wednesday May 4, 2005.

Let's phone the credit card company again to see about progress on credit card fraud complaint.

The main reason we were paying Cibola Internet Services about $20/month was for the disk space for pro se fiights. Not the dial-up internet service.

Patty now has Comcast high-speed Internet. Patty has been bitching about nmol for several years.

Let's see what the abq journal/tribune does?

Morales edited.

We will leave out the double indented comments in the email.

Without Internet our legal project wouldn't succeed.

If we had to rely on the Albuquerque Journal/Tribune for success of our legal project, then our legal project would fail.

Our links have been destroyed by Louis Uttaro and Sal Chavez of Cibloa Internet Services.

Let's try to do someting about this. Legally, of course.

Now how to get this article about crooked judges published in several newspapers?

Spohn messed with us.

Let's think of enhancing the article requested by Albuquerque Trib reporter Larry Spohn, of Japan spy report seven year withhold, about crisis in our legal system.

The above linked article was a booga booga article to test-out the trib and the journal.

Now we de do the number on sandlin, belshaw, walz [kent and crooked incompent lawyer brother jerry], and lang.

And may be even spohn. We don't trust spohn.

Spohn said the article must be under 700 words or it won't fly.

Our current article is 1,398 words. All important because the words describe the written evidence.

Keep in mind that the Trib and Journal are trying to protect the crooks.

Spohn said send it to lspohn@abqtrib.com

Gowan also pointed out that those who got caught get replaced by those equally bad but who haven't gotten got yet.