For The Canadian
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The Iran spy sting story got out because of
Electronic Engineering Times, January 22, 1996, p. 84.
Somebody knew that Iran and Iraq were going to war.
Jim Rogers February 12, 2008First posted
Thursday November 22, 2007 09:03
Updated
Monday April 28, 2008 13:00
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Thursday November 22, 2007 10:12 First draft. Footnotes added, Brzezinski introduced, addition started, NSA, FOIA introduced, 8085 and 8051 Forth, FBI engineering research facility. Friday November 23, 2007 16:59 Add NSA Benincasa algorithm diagram, proceed with story. Buehler materials sent to Japan. Saturday November 24, 2007 17:44 Sandia public key silicon chips. Void judgments. Garrett Birkhoff, Saunders McLane, Irene Stegun, James Bamford, John K Cooley. Sunday November 25, 2007 19:06 Add V, F, R register schematics. LINK Monday November 26, 2007 16:45 DC court chief judge Harry T Edwards causes NSA lawsuit LINK Tuesday November 27, 2007 16:38 Afterword and footnotes Wednesday November 28, 2007 08:13 Try to finish article, not story Thursday November 29, 2007 09:26 Finished ... with article Wednesday January 2, 2008 Ludwig De Braeckeleer NSA spy sting articles LINK Friday January 4, 2008 Add date to Electronic Engineering Times, January 22, 1996, p. 84. Dataport By Loring Wirbel State-sanctioned paranoia. Add LINK to FBI lock breaking article by Stieber. Sunday January 6, 2008 Add Lawmaker: Iran to build 19 more nuclear plants Thursday January 20, 2008 Add ACM links Sunday February 17, 2008 Investor Jim Roger appears to suggest that money may have been made by those who had knowledge of when the Iraq/Iran was to start by going long in oil. Monday March 10, 2008 Link to State Sanctioned Paranoia Posted at http://www.prosefights.org/thecanadian/thecanadian.htm#gotstarted |
Wikipedia Nojeh coup posts In the summer of 2007 two posts on Wikipedia appeared: Post 1 Both were quickly removed but copied and reposted at several websites. If, in fact, Zbigniew Brzezinski did what is claimed in both posts, then he may have committed a felony violation violation of 18 USC § 1091(c) LINK. (c) Incitement Offense. Whoever in a circumstance described in subsection (d) directly and publicly incites another to violate subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. History of NSA LINK FOIA LINK lawsuit Payne went to work for Sandia National Laboratories LINK in September of 1980. Previously Payne was a computer science and psychology professor at Washington State University LINK. Payne had two job assignments at Sandia labs involving NSA. The first assignment was project leader for implementation of
the NSA Missile Secure Cryptographic Unit [MSCU] for the US small missile
program. Sandia weapons system department manager M Kent Parsons LINK was promoting construction of a radiation hardened version of the 8051 microcontroller because of the integrated peripheral would mean that Sandia would have to build fewer parts compared to 8085 implementations. Parsons was impressed how quickly we completed the software. Sandia weapon systems were previous implemented in assembly language and did not work very well. Parsons gave Payne the job assignment to port 8085 Forth to the 8051 microntroller. Parsons required extensive documentation so this turned out to be a big project and expensive project. NSA paid for the 8051 Forth port project. Payne wrote Embedded Controller Forth for the 8051 Family LINK which describes in detail this project. Second Sandia NSA project Payne worked on was the implementation of NSA's Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty seismic data authenticator. NSA cryptographer Ronald Benincasa designed the authentication algorithm LINK. Sandia department manager Paul A Stokes LINK ordered Payne to write a technical report describing the hardware and software implementation of the seismic data authenticator which was later posted on Internet at Cryptome as a direct result of our NSA FOIA visibility lawsuit. As a result of these two job assignments, Payne visited NSA frequently and, on one visit, was lecture by NSA cryptographer Brian Snow on NSA cryto unit implementations. Snow showed foils of the hardware schematics and told us about field failure modes of NSA's crypto units. On completion of the seismic data authenticator project Payne was assigned by Sandia to break electronic locks for the FBI LINK engineering research facility in Quantico, VA. LINK This job assignment required SCI access LINK. At the time the Sandia seismic data authenticator project was beginning, Sandia cryptographer G J Simmons LINK gave a lecture to a number of NSA and Sandia employees with the purpose of trying to convince NSA to abandon the Benincasa algorithm and use public key instead. Simmons LINK literally plastered the blackboard with math symbols thus confusing many of the attendees. Payne's supervisor Dr John Holovka, a chemist, asked Payne if he understood what Simmons was talking about. Payne replied affirmatively. Holovka then ordered Payne to write a comprehensible tutorial to try to explain in simple terms what Simmons was trying to say. Here is a link to that tutorial LINK. NSA concluded that switching from the tried and proven Benincasa algorithm would cause problems and not offer any significant benefit. 3 James R Gosler was a supervisor at Sandia labs at this time.
Gosler was funded by NSA apparently doing "black hat" work. The problem originally arose in the context of nuclear arms limitation treaty verification. The USA and the USSR had decided to place certain sensors in each others nuclear facilities in order to share certain agreed sensor information, and needed integrity controls to prevent information being manipulated in order to provide false evidence that a test did or did not take place [8]. In addition, both parties wanted to be sure that the integrity mechanisms could not be abused to transmit other, prohibited, information. 11 While Payne listened to what Gosler and Simmons were saying, he did not put too much importance in it. The reason is that the two NSA crypto algorithms he worked on and others shown to him by NSA cryptographer Brian Snow were elegantly simple and relatively easy to implement in hardware which NSA favored. Numerical analyst Richard Hanson LINK was a colleague of Payne in the computer science department at Washington State University. Hanson moved to Sandia labs in about 1975 to work in G J Simmons Sandia labs department. Hanson left Sandia labs. At one time he worked for Visual Numerics LINK. Professor Masanori Fushimi was a visiting scientist at Visual Numerics. Hanson discovered that Fushimi was working on improving the Generalized Feedback Shift Register pseudorandom number generator which was the subject of Ted Lewis's Ph.D. thesis. Hanson suggested that Payne directly contact Fushimi. Fushimi sent Payne two envelopes containing reprints of his work LINK. Payne reciprocated by sending him a copy of the data authenticator report after receiving approval from Sandia classification officer Bruce Green and a DRAFT idea Payne had about computing Euler's Phi function without factoring LINK. At about the same time Gosler became a Sandia Department manager. Gosler told Payne he wanted to transfer him from the FBI lock breaking assignment to have him work in Gosler's group. LINK Payne balked for the reason that an employee effectively signs his civil rights away to do "black hat" work for NSA. On July 27, 1997 Payne was fired from Sandia labs for "a flagrant attack on a valued Sandia customer and repeated insensitivity to security/classification requirements" Payne sued Sandia labs in New Mexico federal court 92 cv 01452: judge John Conway presiding. The case was SEALED pursuant to court order on December 21, 1972. On December 31, 1992 and February 10, 1993 Gosler submits an ex parte affidavits to judge Conway which Payne or his lawyer were are not allowed to see: docket entry 3 and 10. LINK On February 2, 1993 Payne files JURY DEMAND: Docket entry 15. Judge Conway dismisses Payne's lawsuit and seals case. The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals denies Payne appeals and seals case. Iran arrests Crypto AG top salesman Hans Buehler in Teheran on March 18, 1992 and incarcerates him at the Evin prison LINK. Buehler is released from the Evin on January 4, 1993. EE TimesLINK reporter Loring Wirbel reports on Payne's case LINK. Wayne Madsen LINK, apparently after reading the Wirbel articles on Payne, informs Buehler that Payne may have information on why he was arrested. Buehler phones Payne on December 31, 1994 to tell him what happened. Payne immediately sees how Gosler's work is being applied. Buehler sends Payne a packet of newspaper translations and a Swiss Radio International tape presumably for distribution in the US LINK. Payne files high tech terrorism criminal complaint affidavit on Gosler and others on July 16, 1996 with judge Harry T Edwards, chief judge of United District Court for the District of Columbia. LINK Edwards does not do his job thus causing the NSA FOIA lawsuit to be filed. Arthur R Morales sued, along with Manuel Garcia, Sandia labs for race discrimination New Mexico federal court. Morales and Garcia forced Sandia labs into an expensive settlement. Morales continued to pursue claims against Sandia labs alone but they were dismissed by judge Joe Galvan. Morales and Payne first met in in about 1993/4 to discuss our common problems with the federal court system. We decided to try to do something to do something about the injustice that happened to us. We realized that visibility is critical in litigation for the reason that the lawyers, courts, and judges do about anything they want if they no one is looking. This includes taking your personal property. Don't count on mainstream media help. So to gain visibility we jointly sued the National Security Agency under the FOIA LINK. J Orlin Grabbe correctly pointed out LINK The role of NSA in the conflict is an open secret in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. Only in this country has there been a relative news blackout, despite the fact that it was the U.S. administration that let the crypto cat out of the bag. So we were not blowing the whistle on NSA since about the whole world other than US citizens knew what happened to Iran. We elaborated on some of the participants. We merely used our lawsuit to show judicial problems. This worked since John Young at cryptome.org LINK posted all of the legal proceeding plus Payne's tech report on Internet. Not only did our NSA FOIA visibility lawsuit work, it may be working too well given current events with Iran. Void judgment filing in NSA FOIA lawsuit "Under Federal law which is applicable to all states, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that if a court is "...without authority, its judgments and orders are regarded as nullities. They are not voidable, but simply void; and form no bar to a recovery sought, even prior to a reversal in opposition to them. They constitute no justification; and all persons concerned in executing such judgments or sentences, are considered, in law, as trespassers." Elliot v. Piersol, 1 Pet. 328, 340, 26 U.S. 328, 340 (1828) "" LINK Payne and Morales filed jury demand, not request, in NSA FOIA lawsuit. 03/17/1997 2 DEMAND for jury trial by plaintiffs (dmw) (Entered: 03/18/1997) LINK. Right to trial by jury guaranteed inviolate by 7th Amendment to US Constitution LINK and 8 USC Rule 38 LINK. Remedy for denial of civil right is not an appeal, as the legal profession wants, but a motion to void or vacate a judgment. Void judgment is a secret of the legal industry LINK. Mr David Myrland LINK advised us that the proper way to void a judgment is to file a motion under the original case number accompanied with a mandatory judicial notice LINK. Myrland posted a mandatory judicial notice example with case case law citations on Internet. We decided to file to vacate judgment in the visible NSA FOIA lawsuit for several reasons: 1 Any conduct which did not follow judicial rules would be very visible. We filed motion of void judgment for lack of jurisdiction and mandatory judicial notice in the NSA FOIA lawsuit on May 11, 2007 in Santa Fe, NM. Much to our surprise clerk of the court docketed both documents on May 16, 2007 LINK! Assistant US attorney Jan Elizabeth Mitchell of the New
Mexico Department of Justice responds to our motion on May 29, 2007.
Mitchell and the court are upset since they state the case was closed on 10/27/1999 and issue a warning. A motion before a US court is followed by a response. A response is followed by a reply. And a reply may be followed by a surreply with permission of the court. Deceased Santa Fe federal court chief judge Santiago Campos
presided over 1997 NSA FOIA lawsuit. June 12, 2007 we file "MOTION for Extension of Time to File response to any document filed between June 5 through June 22, 2007, due to unavailability, by William H Payne, Arthur R Morales." June 17, 2007 Vazquez files order of reference threatening us [i]mposition of sanctions, including censure, striking pleadings, imposition of fines and/or incarceration of the Plaintiffs. ... LINK. Cryptome posts link to this threat. Payne and Morales file reply to Michell's response on June 6,
2007.
LINK In that reply we file criminal complaint affidavit
against Zbigniew Brzezinski for possible felony violation of Title 18 §
1091 (c).
LINK. This matter is now formally before a federal court of
law. Garcia proposes to sanction Payne and Morales. LINK. Judge Armijo adopts magistrate judge Garcia's sanction proposal and fines Payne and Morales $10,000 each and strikes all void judgment pleadings on August 27, 2007. LINK. US marshals Halverson and Bowman ask Payne and Morales if they are going to pay the $10,000. Payne is threatened with arrest by marshal Halverson if Payne posts Halverson's photo on Internet. LINK. Jeff Sedgwick, a colleague of Richard Cornforth LINK, advises Payne to file criminal complaint affidavit with the commander of the nearest military base under Title 18 § 4. LINK. Payne and Morales file criminal complaint file three criminal
complaint affidavits with Kirtland Air Force Base commander Colonel Terrence
Feehan. Payne and Morales complain to Feehan's and Taylor's commanding officer, General Terry Gabreski on October 24, 2007. LINK. Gabreski certified return receipt requested complaint is
returned unopened on November 2, 2007. James L Williams writes Crises in Iran and Iraq LINKWe tried to point out the serious of this matter to Colonel Taylor on October 1, 2007. LINK Those in power we have interacted with so far appear to be unwilling or unable to cope with these matters in any legal or constructive way. Footnotes 4, 6, 7, 8 9 and 10 attest to the potentially explosive nature of these matters. westexas on January 17, 2007 - 12:39pm Keep upwind, if matters don't get peacefully settled. 2 List of IIAF Personnel killed by Islamic Regime between 1979 - Present LINK posted. 3 NSA's rejection of public key for use in treaty verification did not discourage Simmons. Simmons and Sandia mathematician Mike Norris JSTOR: A Characterization of the Splitting of Inseparable LINK designed a reciprocal approximation algorithm for multiplication as a substitute for division in computations for public key. Sandia labs implemented their algorithm in one or more silicon chips. Their algorithm worked most of the time reported numerical analyst Dr Richard J Hanson. LINK 4 The U.S. neoconservative agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet - The New Pearl Harbor LINK. 5 Black and white test of cryptographic algorithms LINK 6 Preventing the Impending War on Iran LINK 7 Look Who's Downplaying Iran's Nuclear Threat LINK 8 Iranian navy denies closure of Hormuz Strait LINK 9 Iran needs nuclear program for its future: Larijani LINK 10 Goldfinger? Bofinger! by Adrian Ash LINK 11 Transmitting information in noise: A practical tutorial LINK Department of Justice FOIA/PA lawyer James Kovakas yet-inexplicably responded to a ten year old FOIA request in November 30, 2005 implicating the FBI in this matter. LINK Kovakas's paralegal Ms Jean Kornblut told Payne on the phone that it was the FBI that was responsible for Payne fired from Sandia labs. LINK The FBI retaliated by declassifying a letter written by FBI assistant director in charge, intelligence division, Wayne R Gilbert on December 6, 2006 showing that Gosler turned Payne into the Albuquerque office of the FBI for some sort of national security crime. LINK National Archives and Records Associate Director, Classification Management Directorate William J Bosanko claimed he was going to help Payne with a mandatory declassification review of the documents Gosler gave the FBI. Bosanko accomplished nothing in one year. LINK Complaint about Bosanko was filed with NARA Director William Leonard. LINK Leonard is not responding. LINK Purpose of article is to raise visibility higher in preparation for a FOIA/PA lawsuit in DC federal court to get the documents NSA acknowledges it has but claims are SECRET and TOP SECRET and void judgments to help facilitate settlement of these unfortunate before matters get worse. LINK Thursday January 9, 2008 settlement letter response submitted by email on Thursday January 17, 2008. LINK Let's see what happens. |
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Thanksgiving viz. Cheers viz Peak oil Member Map viz. Good chukar hunting in Iran!Essential non-gas-wasting chukar hunting travel 1967 - |
Thanks to Shirin Neshat our NSA FOIA lawsuit is now known as the NSA/Nojeh FOIA lawsuit [Nojeh Related Law].
| ----- Original Message ----- From: Cargill Hall To: bill payne Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: Re: How the Iraq/Iran War Got Started Bill: Better get used to high priced gas . . . while it lasts. Carg Cargill Hall is a 1955 graduate of Shattuck School. Payne is a 1956 graduate. Hall and Payne are both 1959 graduates of Whitman College. |
| ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A. Terranson" measl@mfn.org To: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: How the Iraq/Iran War Got Started Thanks. Fascinating reading indeed! Interesting also for the fact that I recently had extensive debate regarding the Iranian oil situation, and I also believe they are switching to gas production. Feel free to keep small gems like this coming Bill! All the best, Alif -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF |
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We advocate peaceful settlment of these unfortunate matters. viz.
For years US eavesdroppers could read encrypted messages without the least difficulty
Ludwig De Braeckeleer
Cryptome linked to Ludwig De Braeckeleer The NSA-Crypto AG Sting on December 29, 2007
NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin GrabbeLockerbie: Chronicle of a Death Foretold
Roger Charles, a retired US Marines Lieutenant Colonel, agrees. Charles has suggested that the US could not admit what really happened with the Vincennes because the truth would have revealed a secret war. Charles told ABC that the United States was an active military participant on the side of the Iraqis, fighting the Iranians. [15] ...
NSA intercepted and decoded a communication of Mohtashemi linking Iran to the bombing of Pan Am 103. One intelligence summary, prepared by the US Air Force Intelligence Agency, was requested by lawyers for the bankrupt Pan American Airlines through the Freedom of Information Act. ...Richard Marquise, who led the FBI investigation, told me that this intercept should be ignored and does not in any way tie the crime to Tehran.
"I have just read your article regarding the NSA-Crypto AG Sting and think it is well done except I think you, and many others including some lawyers, put too much faith in information gathered by intelligence agencies, whatever the method. I am, familiar with the allegation you quote in your story--that somehow NSA had decoded the information that tied Iran to the attack. I can assure you there was no smoking gun there. The information contained in the document was allegedly from a source of "unknown reliability" meaning the person or method had not been used before and the submitting agency had no way to verify the veracity of the information.
Gavrilo Princip and Borijove Jeytic.
Gavrilo Princip wikipedia.
Borijove Jeytic [Borijove Jevtic]
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January 3, 2008
For years US eavesdroppers could read encrypted messages without the least difficulty For decades, the US National Security Agency (NSA) has been reading effortlessly ultra sensitive messages intercepted from all parts of the world. This extraordinary feat was not the consequence of the work of some genius cyber mathematician. Nor was it the result of the agency dominance in the field of super computers, which allegedly have outpaced their most direct rivals by orders of magnitude. The truth is far simpler and quite troubling. The game was rigged. A book published in 1977 by Ronald Clark (The Man Who Broke Purple: The Life of Colonel William F. Friedman) revealed that William F. Friedman, another Russian-born genius in the field of cryptography (he deciphered the Japanese code in World War II) and onetime special assistant to the NSA director, had visited Boris Hagelin in 1957. Friedman and Hagelin met at least on two other occasions. Clark was urged by the NSA not to reveal the existence of these meetings for national security reasons. In 1982, James Bamford confirmed the story in his book on the NSA: The Puzzle Palace. The operation was codenamed the "Boris project." In effect, Friedman and Hagelin had reached an agreement that was going to pave the way to cooperation of Crypto AG with the NSA. Crypto AG, of course, denied the allegations as "pure invention." In 1994, the company issued a message in the Swiss press, stating that "manipulation of Crypto AG equipment is absolutely excluded." [Crypto AG engineer] Buehler was bitterly disappointed. He felt nothing short of having been betrayed by his former employer. During all these years, Buehler never thought for a second that he had been unknowingly working for spies. Now, he was sure that he had done so. Buehler contacted several former Crypto AG employees. All admitted to him, and eventually to various media, that they believed that the company had long cooperated with US and German intelligence agencies. One of these former engineers told Buehler that he had learned about the cooperation from Boris Hagelin Jr., the son of the company's founder and sales manager for North and South America. In the 1970s, while stranded in Buenos Aires, Boris Hagelin Jr. confided that he thought his father had been wrong to accept rigging the Crypto AG machines. Stunned by the revelation, the engineer decided to take this matter directly to the head of Crypto AG. Boris Hagelin confirmed that the encryption methods were unsafe. "Different countries need different levels of security. The United States and other leading Western countries required completely secure communications. Such security would not be appropriate for the Third World countries that were Crypto's customers," Boris Hagelin explained to the baffled engineer. "We have to do it." |
Connecting The Many Undersea Cut Cable Dots
by
Richard Sauder
Copyright 2008.
All rights reserved. 4 February 2008
Disconnecting Undersea Optical Cable Cuts?
Jim Rogers interview by Paul Kedrosky, Yahoo Finance, February 12, 2008.
Investor Jim Rogers on knowledge of the start of the Iraq/Iran war.
"Somebody knew that Iraq and Iran were going to war."
Brzezinski knew when the Iraq/Iran war would start.
Likely
others in the Carter administration knew this too.
We met with Dr_samizdat between 08:45 and 10:40.
Word "Iran" came up lots.
Payne was told and just verified
CONTROLLED PRESS CONCEALS CHERTOFF'S ISRAELI ROOTS
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security, was approved in a 98-0 vote in the U.S. Senate without the question of his Israeli roots â and nationality â even being raised.
On February 15, 2005, Michael Chertoff, an apparent dual national with Israeli roots, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The new "homeland security czar," who oversees the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, seems to be hiding his own dual-national status â with the cooperation of the controlled press.
We talked about legal matters too.
Time to settle!!!
60 Minutes on Sunday evening April 27, 2008 featured a segment in how terrible Iran is moderated by Bob Simon.
The segment appeared to be PR in preparation for an attack on Iran.
Bad idea. This may precipitate WWIII.
Simon interviewed an Israeli stating that Ahamdinejad said that Iran would wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
Quotes from pro se fight bakhtiardead.htm
Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.
The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
DID AHMADINEJAD REALLY CALL TO "WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP?
Payne got a nasty phone call from former 60 Minutes producer Don Hewett some years ago advising him to quit his efforts to get his money. Hewitt's advice was obvious rejected.
Payne was questioned in detail by suspected KBG agent Semionoff [aka Kirsov] about what exactly what happened with regard to the spy on Iran ... by email.
Semionoff [Kirsov] even emailed photos taken from his flat in Moscow.
We suspect that the subject of the spy sting on Iran will come up shortly.
Monday April 28, 2008 09:00 we have a meeting with author of Connecting The Many Undersea Cut Cable Dots.